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Stamp: Pregnant men-women having a say by Riza-Izumi Stamp: Pregnant men-women having a say by Riza-Izumi
Ever notice how most people that support men having a say in abortion are PRO-LIFERS? They support men having a say in abortion, even though it's not his body, but are against women having a say in it. Totally not Misogyny at all.

And sorry men, but this is true. People screech and yell at women for opening their mouths about men's bodies, but are perfectly fine with men opening their mouths about women's bodies, and even controlling their bodies. So tell why people would say women have a say in abortion if men could get pregnant? 
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ScarletDreams14 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Student Artist
I really don't think men should have a say in abortion, I'm not against men or anything but it's really not his body at all. He's not gonna carry the lil shat for 9 months either...so that's bull..OUR bodies, our control. If It ain't your body STFU (That's my opinion c:)
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OminousHaze Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist
If men were pregnant, there would be drive-by abortion clinics on every corner.
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DragonballFormersZ Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I dont think man should have the last say, but if you're in a relationship and it turns out you may be having a child, it would be wrong for the women to just get an abortion without discussing it with her husband.
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SweetheartedSadist Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
NU U JUST LIEK R MEEN 2 DA MEN SIENC MEN R SO SUPERIO-
Nope.
I may find abortion sad,but I don't think a person who ISN'T carrying the child in their OWN womb,should make choices.
They have a life in them,a miracle as it is,I think the WOMAN PREGNANT has more say over a man :\.
That's very narrowminded to go "Oh if I have no say,I'm leaving you!",um...thats why there are numerous ways of protection! =D
I've been told since I'm a virgin I don't understand a the struggle,but um..common sense? Logic? I think everyone has that.

Your stamps dear Riza are amazing~
so is your icon
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SplashyLove Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Student General Artist
Rigghhhhhhhtttttt~ (sarcasm considering how many rabid feminists exist)
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Nerudan18 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, maybe you're right. After all, men aren't allowed any legal say when their partner wants an abortion. :) But hey, that doesn't count as sexism, right?
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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
And why should men have a say, when preventing pregnancy is the woman's responsibility 100% Why should men have a say when it's not their fucking body. Seriously, if women had a say in Vasectomy you'd be in a uproar. 
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Nerudan18 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ok, lets work with that. Why does a wife object to a husband getting a vasectomy behind her back?
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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013
I've never heard of that happening, but why would she object? And it's his body, and if he doesn't want any (more) kids, than he should get sterilized. 
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Vyanni-Krace-ACE Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It is a matter that should be discussed between a couple (it is a big decision after all and anything relating to the decision to have kids or not should be discussed before anything happens/is decided really: simple things like whether they want a baby, when they'd be happy to have a baby, etc...), but I agree that the final decision really does come down to the person whose body is being directly effected by the decision.
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Elfuun Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013
Wording doesn't make a lot of sense out of context. Misread it pretty hard.
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Clelius Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2013
I think that women shouldn't have a say in things that concern the male body (like circumcision) and men shouldn't have a say in what concerns the female body (like abortion).
It doesn't matter how much you support the other gender; you will never understand what it's like to physically be a female if you are a male, and vice-versa (unless you change your gender chirurgically or you are a bi-gender).

And this would be better because I wouldn't have people around on the web and IRL trying to convince me that their opinion is better than that of others or my own.
This makes people look like immature little children.
No, little children look more mature in this case.

Anyway: the world would be a better place if everyone minded their own fucking business a little more and tried to mantain a more neutral approach to things.
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LeonPwlski Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013
I don't think the statement of this stamp is true. I think if men got pregnant there would be people who'd say women should have a say in abortion too for it isn't just about the pregnant person's body it also is about your child getting killed if the other person wants to abort.
Now, I know abortion is a controversial topic and there are valid reasons for allowing it, however if you ever looked at the ultrasound videos of a baby getting aborted you will have realized that they back away from the needle they get killed with suggesting that they do have feelings. It's difficult to know how much they really perceive but there is strong evidence they do have feelings. Therefore I am generally against abortion as soon as the child is old enough to have neurons and thus probably feelings.
Personally I'd never do this to my child no matter how inconvenient it is right now to have a baby and no matter how I got pregnant because it's not the child's fault and it deserves better than to get hurt and killed and I can understand why a father would feel the same about his unborn child.
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Vyanni-Krace-ACE Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

Y'know technically a foetus isn't alive.

 

 Life is determined by EEG. Legally, medically and scientifically if you have no EEG you are dead/not alive regardless of whether or not your heart is beating. This means you are brain-dead, and a person who is brain-dead has absolutely no brain activity and thus does not respond to pain and has no cranial nerve reflexes.

 

Foetuses have no EEG. This means that, by definition, they are not alive. They cannot think, they cannot feel pain and by legal, scientific and medical terms abortion is therefore not murder. Murder is when you kill a living being and since foetuses aren't alive (no brain activity) they cannot be murdered, only disposed of.

 

((If I'm correct, brain activity only occurs late in the pregnancy so having an abortion within the first two trimesters is fine. Its entering the final months of pregnancy (the months where the child MIGHT survive if born prematurely) when issues start to arrive because it is around that period where brain activity starts (otherwise they would not survive a premature birth) because that is when a foetus truly becomes 'alive'.))

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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
Just stop with your emotional manipulation :| That's all you're doing when you call it a 'child' or 'murder' and the other shit you said, and emotional manipulation doesn't work on me. If you don't want to have an abortion, that's fine, but you (or anyone else) has no right to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
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LeonPwlski Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
Any chosen wording is emotional manipulation. By insisting that a fetus isn't a child or by calling it non-human you manipulate people into not feeling anything about it - thus I don't see why your emotional manipulation is the obligate way to do it while mine is oh so evil. (you state part of your opinion by your chosen wording, I state part of mine by my chosen wording, where's the difference?)
I can't tell at what point a fetus starts to have some sort of perception whatsoever but neither can pro-choicers tell for sure. While it might be unimportant to you if the child (and yes a fetus is an unborn child, that's a fact may it be emotional manipulation or not) has any sort of consciousness or not to me even the faint chance that it might already be perceiving something is enough to think that it basically is wrong to kill it (while murder might actually be a wrong term from a juristic point of view as murder is just illegal killing there's no denying it gets killed as it is a living organism).
Anyways, I was never saying the father should have the last say or whatever, just that it is not very fair to not even tell him or discuss it with him if he's actually the womans husband or boyfriend for a long time. See, if you can't even have a discussion about it you're probably not living in a healthy relationship anyways and already made a mistake by getting married or if your partner is someone you could discuss it with but you rather lie to him then you are the unhealthy part of the relationship.
Also I wouldn't want to forbid abortion because people would do it anyways, however, with a probably higher risk for the mother and with more late term. (And late term is something I am absolutely against. I don't like early abortions a lot either but there seems to be hardly any reason to wait a few months as you usually would know you're pregnant pretty soon and thus I think waiting till it is a fetus is already unnecessary and avoidable in many cases.)
There are cases where I can understand why someone would abort, like if she got pregnant by rape or if she's still almost a child herself but being too  careless to use a condom or if it ruptures being too careless to get the pill the morning after just doesn't seem a valid reason to me to kill something that might already have some sort of perception (I'm not just talking about pain, though that's even more important, you also wouldn't be allowed to kill someone even if that person got no pain perception after all).
And no matter what you say, there's no denying that it isn't just your own body you're doing something with. There's another body in your body that's also somewhat involved after all.
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xghfthfgxn Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Professional General Artist

A father should have a say. A guy who spunks inside a woman shouldn't.

 

If a man wants to keep his unborn child, he needs to show that he's capable of handling the weight of another human life.

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IAmTehMatt Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013
The fact that so many men think they have the last word on a woman's body is just utterly fucked up. It isn't their body, let the women do what they will with their own flesh and blood.
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kyokosayaka Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013
Men* shouldn't have a say in abortion to be honest. The woman* is carrying the child in THEIR body. They have to deal with that for nine months. Men* don't. Men* can always go around and knock up someone else if they want a kid THAT badly. Abortion should be entirely up to the woman*.

Sure, it would be nice to have a nice discussion about it beforehand with both parties involved, but in the end, the woman's* got final say in whether or not they're going to carry a baby inside of them for that long.



Men* = People with penises [Cisgender Men, Pre-Op trans women, Nonbinary individuals with penises]
Women* = People with vaginas [Cisgender Women, Pre-Op trans men, Nonbinary Individuals with vaginas]

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Rebi-Valeska Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013
I would be saying that women should have a say in abortion, just like I say that men should. Whilst being pro-life, this kind of hypothetical situation being cooked up here doesn't contradict anything I stand for.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If men could get pregnant, nobody would accuse him of being "a whore" and would get abortions with less stress and shaming!

It is obvious, more women sluts are shamed than men, men can walk with not top but if a woman is in a bikini it is all "you whore yer gonna get raped!" 
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xghfthfgxn Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Professional General Artist
Although there aren't many men who can go out topless and not attract the resentment of everyone with working eyes. I'm looking at you, bogans and Jersey Shore tossers.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I see them everywhere, it is annoying as hell.

I am just sick of slut shaming towards women, 95% of all slut shaming is towards women. I am not saying to shame man whores, but it is like they are favored. 
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Agreed


I understand men should have a say in abortion but so does the woman. If she has an abortion she faces health issues and rabid hormones. If she goes through she faces more health issues. Men just gace never knowing a child who never was born and financial.

Howevet financially woman are just as screwed.
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Vyanni-Krace-ACE Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I think men (and other people in the woman's life) should be allowed to have their say, but the final decision is the woman's. They can voice their opinion and advice about whether or not to abort but they should not be allowed to make the final decision about it, because that should be the pregnant woman's choice at the end of the day and no one else's.

 

(Similarly doctors can advise the woman but in my opinion the be all and end all is that the pregnant woman should be the one who decides whether to abort or not. Its wrong not to allow a woman to abort a baby she does not want for whatever reason. Just the same it is wrong to force a woman to abort a baby she does want.)

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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I agree. Its not their body. They won't have to deal with the side effects or social effects
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SEGASister Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:nod:
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