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Stamp: Kiara over Kopa by Riza-Izumi Stamp: Kiara over Kopa by Riza-Izumi
I absoulutly love Kiara from The Lion King, and I like her brother Kopa too. I have no problem in saying that I like Kiara WAY more than I like Kopa. Some people think that Kiara replaced Kopa but the truth is Kopa was never an idea for The Lion King 2 or Simba and Nala's child. The idea for Simba and Nala's kids where Shani and Chaka, then Disney dropped Chaka and Shani became Kiara.


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Flynnster-4590 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
This is true, I like Kiara more than kopa. 
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RigorM0RTIS Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Kiara's more of a character than Kopa and definitely a lot more interesting. It's like they just favour Kopa because he's Simba's son as opposed to Simba's daughter.

But you know what's the worst thing regarding these two? Whenever someone does a story where Kopa was just lost or some shit and then comes back and Simba and Nala make him the king of Pride Rock despite him having been absent for basically years. Then Kiara being the heir is completely forgotten about in favour of Gary Stu Kopa. :|

I like the story potential that could be had with Kopa and all that, but the fandom handles him terribly (aside from worshipping him like he's the second coming of Christ or something) and then they tear down Kiara's character (something Kopa lacks) in favour of bland, flat Kopa.
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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Sorry for the late reply, your comment got buried. Anyway, I agree %100 with you. Kopa does nothing an all, and everyone kisses his ass and acts like he's -as you said- the second coming of Jesus. Those stories are not just stupid, but sexist as all hell :| What is so wrong with having a female be the leader? Hell, who knows what Kopa was doing or who was raising him while he was gone all that time, for all we know, he could have been raised by the Hyenas or Scar's other followers that didn't join up with Zira. He could be planning to kill Simba or Nala just like how Kovu was. 
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But of course, Kopa's a fucking masaya (I know I spelled that wrong), and he'll be a good person no matter how he lived growing up -_-
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RigorM0RTIS Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed. Regarding the point about female leaders and sexism, a lot of the times when people actually do leave Kiara as the ruler of the Pridelands (instead of Kopa taking her place for no good reason), she never even does anything as a leader and Kovu is the king and runs everything while Kiara takes care of their cubs. That sort of portrayal also happens a lot with Uru and I find it very distasteful. I'd like to see something where Kiara is a strong leader, and Kovu is either her prince consort or not even there at all. But nope, the guy has to run everything.

And the point about Kopa potentially having the intent to kill Simba and/or Nala and being evil is definitely legitimate. I mean, really no one knows what he's been doing.  Chances are, if he didn't die, he wasn't adopted by a meerkat and warthog and taken to the jungle to live peacefully. And if someone tries to do something like that with their Kopa, then they're a hack. He has story potential if the writer chooses to not have him be killed off (I personally prefer him to be dead in most of my incarnations) and could even be a villain but his cult never uses this potential and always has him turn out to be the missing prince who is pure good, never did anything wrong even once in his life, and is all-around perfect and he always replaces Kiara as the heir.

It's a load of bullshit, full of sexist implications, and a complete waste of potential.
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Shippuden23 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014

Yeah. Kopa didn’t do anything yet people always portray him like he’s the smartest, strongest, bravest, purest, most talented god in the universe while Kiara is demonized.

 

I don’t hate Kopa (I’m neutral/indifferent towards him) but he didn’t do anything but sit on his butt all day listening to stories (and the few times he actually did something, he was actually showed to be a poorly and bland character) and had little to no personality. He can’t even be called a character; he was literally just a plot devise but people love him just for the fact that he’s a boy/Simba clone.

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RigorM0RTIS Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you. I don't hate Kopa either, but I have a strong distaste his fanbase/cult and the way they glorify him at the expense of Kiara. That's literally the only issue I even have with him, considering that, as you said, he's barely even his own character and is just a blank slate and served as a plot device so Simba could tell stories.

To add to how Kopa is worshipped and Kiara is demonised, they often portray Kopa as some sort of Gary Stu while constantly accusing Kiara of being a Mary Sue... which is utterly hypocritical. These stories also always favour Kopa in everything, like how he gets the throne despite doing nothing aside from randomly reappearing after several years of being absent and having the way he survived unexplained or the explanation is illogical.

It'd be nice to see a decent portrayal of Kopa that isn't anti-Kiara that also makes sense at the same time.
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Shippuden23 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014

Yeah, the Kopa fanbase it’s intolerable (and I’m referring to just the psycho fans). Not to mention that they get all touchy when you say that Kopa was never canon. Heck, just now, I saw a Kopa-worshipper saying how to him/her Kopa will always be the true canon child and how Kiara will never be and when I explained to him/her that Kopa wasn’t the cub at the end of the first movie, that he wasn’t made by Disney and that both the creators of TLK and the creators of Kopa and the books said that he wasn’t canon, he/she maturely replied by saying “Well, who the fuck cares Einstein?” It was both sad and hilarious XD

 

Ugh, I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that the Kopa fans love to accuse Kiara of being a Mary Sue while they always make Kopa the father of all Gary Stu’s.

 

The only version of Kopa I’ve ever liked is :icontc-96:’s. Funny thing is, she doesn’t even like Kopa and is a Kiara fan but she doesn’t demonize Kopa nor did she turned Kiara into a goddess. Here’s a page from one of the comics she’s working right now tc-96.deviantart.com/art/The-H…

 

I recommend her gallery since her TLK art work is awesome and she’s one of the few artists that show Kiara and other characters from the sequels some love as opposed to how most other TLK fans that focus only on the first movie and books (I like most of the fanart about Uru, Ahadi and Mohatu but it’s creepy how 99% of the fanbase treats those books like they were the bible and the characters like gods).

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RigorM0RTIS Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wow, LOL. Kiara is far more canon. She is also a better character.

Yeah, her art is pretty good. I haven't really read her comic, though. I can definitely tell just from looking at that page that her Kopa isn't horrible. In a normal comic with Kopa in it, Kopa would save the day or he would almost die to evoke sympathy from the viewers. Like he wouldn't almost die for plot reasons. It would solely be to try to evoke sympathy.

SNA is pretty much just fanfiction with Disney approval, tbh. I do like to use some of the characters in it, since there's plenty of story potential to be had with them. I don't like the stories themselves very much though. The whole thing with Scar getting his eye scratched by a buffalo horn is pretty dumb. (And it doesn't make much sense either.)

It's pretty silly how Kopa's cult thinks everything about SNA is totally canon and that Kiara replaced Kopa. Kopa was never going to be used in the movies at any point. I personally like to think of the cub at the end of the first movie ("Fluffy") as Kopa but I know very well that the cub isn't really Kopa and just a generic cub.

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Shippuden23 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014
Yeah. It’s a shame that that most Kopa-related fan work uses the exact same tropes, clichés and storylines; they could make him an interesting character but just make him a boring Gary Stu instead.

They really are pretty much fanfics and pretty lame ones at that. They were full of errors, inconsistencies, created plot holes (Nala had friends in the pride that came out of nowhere and where never shown or mentioned again in the books) for the movie and butchered the characters (seriously, they turned Scar into a whiny, bratty, daddy-obsessed emo wimp). Plus, the lion characters were just clones and they didn’t pay attention to their own texts/or stories since they described Nala as having “amber” eyes,  Ahadi as having a black main and bright green eyes (yet the pictures showed that he was a Mufasa look-alike) and had 2 different versions of how Mufasa met Zazu. Not to mention the other ridiculous stuff such as the rapping vultures, characters with dumb names such as Swifty the cheetah and Leo the lion and the lame story of how Scar got his Scar and name.

It’s ok to like the characters from the books. I also had many Disney storybooks and comics as a kid and love many of the characters from the cartoons and enjoyed most of the cartoons themselves but when people refuse to accept/acknowledge the actual canon and demand to include the characters and stories from the merchandise (which would turn the canon into a huge, unwatchable, convoluted mess) then their taking it too far. There are people that said that they should Kopa because of his popularity on line because, apparently, they think Disney people spend all day reading fanfics and fancomics and/or are under the impression that they are obliged to change the actual canon just because a character became popular on the internet.
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Darthmaul1999 Featured By Owner May 25, 2014
I love them both, but to put it simply, I can't even begin to describe how much this fandom needs this stamp.
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